Jobs News RSS Feed


500 jobs to go in York at Norwich Union

11:00am Thursday 31st July 2008

comment Comments (22)   Have your say »

By Mike Laycock »

UP to 500 Norwich Union jobs in York are to go.

The insurance giant has announced it is outsourcing two key departments based at the company’s Monks Cross offices, where 750 staff work.

As revealed last night, the firm said it was entering a strategic partnership with the Scottish Friendly group, under which back office administration for its “Lifetime wrap” department would be carried out in Scotland.

It revealed it was also outsourcing the administration of its collective investments department to International Financial Data Services (IFDS), based in Basildon, Essex.

About 300 York people work in Lifetime wrap – an IT system which allows customers to look online at their Norwich Union products – with another 200 working in collective investments.

Mark Hodges, chief executive of Norwich Union Life, said it was too early to give an indication of the likely number of redundancies for both of the new partnerships.

“We understand that this causes uncertainty for staff,” he said. “Our priority will be to keep employees fully informed throughout this process and we will do everything we can to minimise the impact of this decision.

“We have built up valuable experience and knowledge in these areas and will seek to minimise any impact through natural turnover, not filling vacancies and redeployment where possible.”

The company said the transfer to IFDS would be phased and was due to be completed towards the end of 2009.

It anticipated that the number of compulsory redundancies will be less than the 200 jobs at Monks Cross, partly because of the phased approach and partly through natural staff turnover and redeployment.

It said the two deals with Scottish Friendly and IFDS – which were signed on Tuesday – formed part of an overall strategy to simplify operations, reduce costs and focus on new opportunities for growth.

It said the outsourcing of collective investments would significantly reduce operating costs, provide greater flexibility and make it simpler to quickly launch new products. “It is a low-cost, scaleable solution that will significantly enhance Norwich Union’s presence in this market.

“The administration of collectives is currently spread across several platforms, creating high operational overheads and difficult administrative challenges.”

Mr Hodges said the company would be making significant investments in its IT infrastructure over the next three to five years to recognise the changing needs of the “mass affluent customer who wants to do business with us online. This will focus on delivering more online solutions and product features”.


Your Say YourPress

Chrisyumyum, York says...
10:41pm Wed 30 Jul 08

I am disgusted by the significant and blatant disrespect thats been shown to the hard working enthusiastic teams within Lifetime. Its like a ship wreck!!!! THERES ONLY ONE PLACE FOR THIS COMPANY.............
..THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA. Yeh.... you wont be able to mistreat us there will you???

akuma, York says...
11:17pm Wed 30 Jul 08

Before you all start saying how disgusted you are at Norwich Union ask yourself this question;

Do you have one of there products?

Be it insurance, investments or ISA's, by purchasing anything from this company you are either wittingly or unwittingly supporting there decisions as, if your still buying there stuff, they think there doing good business and you condone there actions.

If you find what they do unacceptable dont buy there products, vote with your feet and wallet and we'll show them what we do and dont find acceptable.

But please dont add a patronising comment about how its terrible, but yet Norwich Union insure your house, car and life.

Been There done that, York says...
11:43pm Wed 30 Jul 08

We should all be disgusted with Norwich Union's actions. This news is not new but nice to finally let the staff know the truth with what is actually happening.

Well that's it for me, no more Norwich Union products will be purchased with my hard earned money. (I've only ever bought car insurance anyway)

I'd like to ask Mark Hodges what he thinks he'll achieve with this? If Lifetime already has such a bad reputation for appalling service, what's the point? is the idea to pass it off onto another company so they have someone to blame other than themselves when things go wrong?

And why move the ISA department? the main problem is no-one knows Norwich Union sell investments, at least I didn't! Do Norwich Union even have a marketing department?

Anyway, a message to all those soon to be unemployed.... 'Norwich Union - We just make it easier' .....here's yer P45

Guy Fawkes, York says...
7:29am Thu 31 Jul 08

Do you have one of there products?


No, because the last two quotes I've had from them were totally uncompetitive. The last time my car insurance was up for renewal I got a quote from NU along with 5-6 other firms and brokers. It was around £100 more expensive than the policy I eventually bought, had a bigger excess, more exclusions and less features. For home contents insurance it was a similar story.

That, I suspect, is the real reason they're shedding jobs - they offer uncompetitive products and are losing customers as a result.

Doyley, Huntington says...
9:40am Thu 31 Jul 08

I've been working at NU for 6 years and to be honest we all knew it was coming. Businesses are in it to make money so where they can cut costs they will. The sad thing is yet another big employer in York is cutting jobs. Soon all we'll have is tourism.

That's it i'm off to Leeds. See everyone there.

heidi, york says...
10:06am Thu 31 Jul 08

Myself and all my collegues feel like we've been lied to for the past few months. We were told yesterday our work would be outsourced to Essex but they failed to mention that IFDS have an office in India and some of our work will be processed in India. We cannot believe a word that we are being told as our trust in the company has been crushed, they're only telling us half the story. IFDS will not put our customers first they are purely outsourcing to them to cut costs and give the directors a pay rise. Disgusting!!

THE_BACKER, ACOMB says...
2:24pm Thu 31 Jul 08

It's disgusting.

British companies out sourcing to India?? Polish Immigrants come here to work? And at the same time the Britsh people who live here are getting shafted from every single angle.

What a s**t country to live in.

meme, skelton says...
3:12pm Thu 31 Jul 08

No matter how sorry you feel for the staff affected by this news you cannot blame NU. They have to do what is right for their company and be as efficient as possible and unfortunatly, in general in the UK, red tape/health and safety/ minimum wages/costs of services/fuel etc all make us uncompetitive compared to third world countries. Dont for one minute believe this is the last bad news on the jobs front York will get. There will be many more redundancies in the property and finance based industries and these will spread initially to the support industries of construction and development and then to the whole economy.
What amazes me is how long it has taken our Government to do absolutly NOTHING to try at least to improve the situation.
Frankly Mr Brown and his cronies should be ashamed of themselves for doing nothing at all in what are the worst economic circumstances most of us have seen in our lifetime
10 years of growth wiped out in 6 months of Browns leadership.We are making ourselves more and more uncompetitive under the mantra of sustainability and fairness to the point where there will be no jobs left because of the level of costs heaped on us by this supposedly representative Government..No wonder Brown lost the 3rd safest seat he had.Hopefully he will lose hiswhen he has the nerve to call an election. After all he was unelected as leader by the GB population and i doubt we will forget that

NU employee, York says...
5:53pm Thu 31 Jul 08

As an employee within Lifetime, we were first warned about this via the press a month ago - that set alarm bells ringing for me. Then Yesterdays nannouncement came and to be honest, i wasnt surprised.

What did surprise me was that NU seems to think that the staff can easily transfer to another position within NU or move to Glasgow (Lifetime staff) or Essex. I suspect no more than 10 people could or would move to Glasgow, as for essex, i dont know that side of the business so i couldnt comment.

We should have seen this coming, i mean we went down to Cambridge to bring it to York, making people in Cambridge redundant and now we are on the recieving end of what we did - looks a bit like karma to me.

Another Question - how are NU going to find positions for everyone? Will the harder workers fill the positions? What happens to them who dont get the positions they wanted? Will we have to take a pay cut in our new role? Will we get told they are moving our new jobs within 2 - 3 yrs?

I have decided when it is time to decide what to do, i will take voluntary redundancy - why work somewhere when you are at a permanant risk of loosing your job?

York43, Clifton Moor says...
6:06pm Thu 31 Jul 08

What I cannot understand is why people are still voting for a government who is doing absolutely nothing to stop companies shipping work abroad. I work for a company who has made a significant number of redundancies in England to move work to Scotland as the government there is offering excellent incentives! Will England just end up a barren employment wasteland apart from tradesmen??? It is certainly looking that way, just look at Yorks' history, we all know that Nestle will disappear in the next 2 years. What is our council doing about it? - absolutely nothing, they're more interested in where to put their offices now that the obvious has been realised - Not Hungate! Go to the outskirts and stop wasting our money on building your empire, look after the residents!!!

laura89, york says...
8:51pm Thu 31 Jul 08

I am an employee at norwich union! tuesday afternoon i was told there was a meeting being held and everyone had to attend even people off on holiday and off sick! i think everyone knew what was coming but it still came as a shock what upset me the most was how many people were actually going to lose there jobs people who have been there over 20 years to people who have been there a few months, in the "meeting" there was a woman who had been with us 2 days and she stood up and asked how they could do this giving her a job to find out the next day she will be losing it within a matter of months!!
questions were half hartedly answered we were given 5 minutes to digest the news where people called there partners in tears tekking them the news it was like watching a people at a funeral,
i am absolutly gutted i love working at norwich union i have met some real true friends i used to be proud to say i worked there and now i feel let down and betrayed, i have worked my arse off for norwich union just to have it thrown back in my face, i work all the hours available i have been told i have 6 months left they say we will have priority over jobs but i dont want to work for them again they are liars and they let you down i would neber trust them with a job neber mind car insurance or investments
im dissapointed and p***ed off stand up and voice your opinion how long is england going to let this go on for!!!!

Seadog, York says...
9:06pm Thu 31 Jul 08

AKUMA ... will you please learn to distinguish between "there"; "their" and "they're"! What you have to say is often perfectly valid, but you do yourself no favours by getting it wrong almost every time!

Manson, york says...
10:30pm Thu 31 Jul 08

I don't think he can,Prime example of a NU employee.
Also I can't help but notice what a bunch of scruffs they all look in the picture above.

Chris1982, York says...
10:52pm Thu 31 Jul 08

No such thing as a permanent job, especially these days, a misnomer if ever there was one.

The outsider, Greater Manchester says...
11:50pm Thu 31 Jul 08

So what?

NU employee, York says...
9:30am Fri 1 Aug 08

Manson wrote:
I don't think he can,Prime example of a NU employee.Also I can't help but notice what a bunch of scruffs they all look in the picture above.
I am offended by the above comment. I am hard working, well educated (passed my degree with a 2:1) and fluent in two languages. I am working at Norwich Union due to the lack of demand in History Graduates. I go to work dressed in a shirt and tie and only dress down on a Friday.

How dare you call the people in the photo a bunch of scruffs. They have just been told they are going to loose their jobs. Have some sort of empathy for them. They might have to take your job soon!!!!

akuma, York says...
11:16am Fri 1 Aug 08

Seadog wrote:
AKUMA ... will you please learn to distinguish between "there"; "their" and "they're"! What you have to say is often perfectly valid, but you do yourself no favours by getting it wrong almost every time!
Manson, york says...
10:30pm Thu 31 Jul 08
I don't think he can,Prime example of a NU employee.
Also I can't help but notice what a bunch of scruffs they all look in the picture above.


Bearing in mind people are losing there jobs, some of whom have just started families or got there first mortgage, the best you can come up with is to pick on my gramma.

Seriously, you people have too much time and not enough to do.

Please, please, please get a life and stop inflicting yourselves on other peoples.

Koala, Haxby says...
12:22pm Fri 1 Aug 08

Beware of Chief Execs that dress down! My experience is they exude confidence but are rarely competent.
Mark Hodges needs to take responsibility for the shambles he is making of Norwich-Union. If the staff lack expertise then it his fault for not recognising this earlier and developing them. He appears to lack vision and innovation. Outsourcing is nowadays well recognised as a failed business strategy and will ultimately lead to increased costs and vulnerability for the whole business. NU has some capable staff and by involving them in the problem then better solutions would have resulted. Hodges is making the mistake of trying to deliver shareholder value by the crude tactics of cost cutting and ignoring the Customer. Many British Companies have made this mistake over recent years and are reaping what they have sown. I had been a customer of NU for many years going back to when it was Yorkshire Insurance. Sadly I removed all my business when the Company lost its way with its failure to understand branding and marketing and I was not confident in investing and dealing with a bus company located in India. Its not too late to think again Mark - Talk to your staff and to your customers!

Hieronymous, York says...
1:04pm Fri 1 Aug 08

I think Seadog was only trying to be helpful, Akuma. After all, he/she did acknowledge the validity of your posting. Incorrect sentence structure and spelling can sometimes radically alter the meaning of a statement and convey the opposite. It didn't in this case, but there's always a risk that it might.

Sorry, but I used to be an English teacher. I rather suspect that Seadog may have been (or is) one too.

(Manson's comment, however, is indeed an unfair generalization.)

H8r, york says...
1:24pm Fri 1 Aug 08

Manson wrote:
I don't think he can,Prime example of a NU employee.Also I can't help but notice what a bunch of scruffs they all look in the picture above.
Oooh, someone tried to get a job at NU and failed the grammar and punctuation test by the looks of it.

Who cares what they're wearing, or does a suit and tie process your insurance application rather than the actual person?

Seadog, York says...
5:39pm Fri 1 Aug 08

My apologies to Akuma: no insult was intended. I was, as Hieronymous so kindly pointed out today, merely trying to indicate that a point of view which is badly expressed can so easily turn out to be counter-productive. (You are by no means the worst offender on this site, by the way!)

I am sure you would rather your comments were taken seriously; there would be more chance of that if they were more seriously expressed. I was not actually disagreeing with you; nor am I unsympathetic regarding the plight of anyone facing the loss of a job. (I was myself unemployed for much of the dreadful 'eighties so I know where you're coming from on that score).

As for "getting a life" - I have a full and varied one, thank you very much. What I do with my (actually quite limited) time is my own affair.

PS: I share Hieronymous' view that adverse comments on the clothing worn by NU employees are uncalled for. I don't wear a suit and tie either ... on any day of the week!

Pedro, York says...
6:54pm Mon 4 Aug 08

My heart goes out to those effected. Whatever the perfumed words, being given the heave-ho is horrible (I know from experience) and I bet those people are gutted. NU is not that well run a company - it is just that the insurance business is not that hard to run. What are you selling? Promises. Money for a sheet of paper. In some cases the sale enforced by law! But the world has changed. Now people want to get a good deal and can shop around at home. In normal retailing you are either pushing value or luxury. Which are NU? The company have to move to some of the operation overseas because they are obliged to work for their shareholders. That is written in to the world of capitalism and stocks and shares. Doesn't matter if you have worked for a company for twenty five years - only the people with stock matter. To prove it all stocks rise when redundancies are announced.

Your sayYourPress

comment Add your comment

Register for a FREE York Press account and you can have your say on today's news and sport by adding comments on articles we publish. The best comments may even get published in the paper.

Please register now or sign in below to continue.




Forgotten your password?
Norwich Union's Monks Cross offices

Staff leave the Norwich Union offices at Monks Cross yesterday



Sponsored Links


Your Local Services


Local Information

Enter your postcode, town or place name

House prices »   Schools »   Crime »   Hospitals »