The Stigs Wife wrote:
Closure of major roads after accidents is questioned Shouldnt that be "closure of major roads after accident is questioned"?? or "Closure of major roads after accidents ARE questioned?"

Milton wrote:
This seems rather crass and insensitive. I'm sure the police only close roads when they have to. And please refrain from using sexist language such as "man" hours. I

Posted by: Bemused, York on 10:27am Mon 28 Apr 08

West Yorkshire police officers closed the A1 and its junction with the A64 at 1.40am and the road remained closed until 8.10 this morning while crash investigators examined the scene.

Ludicrous, and yes, it's WEST Yorkshire and it's still ludicrous!

Posted by: Bemused, York on 11:04am Mon 28 Apr 08
Ludicrous and unnecessary, it does not take 7 hours to investigate a two car prang.
Serious damage to the economy, key emergency service and other workers unable to get into work, grid lock preventing emergency service access to
many tens of square miles.
On health & safely grounds alone it's ludicrous and dangerous.

Posted by: Bemused, York on 12:00pm Mon 28 Apr 08
It took 11 hours to discover that a woman crossing the A64 at Bilborough hadn't looked where she was going. A similar amount of time that an accident on the A1 was caused by a HGV doing an illegal U turn.
The lunacy continues, other lives are put at risk and it costs millions a year.

Its quite obvious why they close them for so long, and that is to establish what happened, or have you forgot bemused what it was like!!

Bemused wrote:

Its quite obvious why they close them for so long, and that is to establish what happened, or have you forgot bemused what it was like!!

I have another theory. Lacking common sense, intelligence and most of all training, clueless headless chickens in police uniform, or in my view imitating real police officers, attend the scene of a road accident.

In the past an intelligent and perceptive police officer of a breed now extinct would quickly assess the situation, speak to a few witnesses and get an extremely accurate picture as to what had happened.

Today, they are absolutely clueless and don't know where to start and follow a handbook written by the Association of Chief Police Officers, a quango without any authority in law, made up of senior officers, today mainly fast-tracked to Inspector level on the basis that they hold an increasingly worthless university degree, but lacking common sense as well as the all important experience.

At the scene of the accident the ACPO handbook is laboriously gone through, roads are closed for hours on end, in order that with luck they eventually come to the conclusions any real police officer would have arrived at within minutes.

Such as the accident on the A1 being caused by an HGV carelessly doing a U-turn, and the unfortunate woman was killed on the A 64 didn't look when she
was crossing.

you make me laugh bemused. Glad we dont have them now extinct police officers now lol

That’s a two car accident in which a man died Bemused. If it was a member of my family I wouldn’t give a t0ss how inconvenient the road closure was. I would want to know that a proper investigation had taken place in order to establish the cause of the accident, with the added benefit of hopefully learning how to avoid such an accident in the future.

Won't throw more light on the cause

nor make an iota of difference to the outcome

and what you would want is irrelevant

But this stupidity costs the economy millions

causes gridlock and puts lives at risk

and shows gross incompetence.

Bemused wrote:
Redr, stick to what you know. I've investigated many road accidents in my time, some of which were tragically fatal, and prepared successful prosecution files, so about this subject I know a thing or two. In answer to silver, they are OK with very minor accidents, but if they are more than that they panic and the ACPO manual comes out.

Taking statements from witnesses is not doing the work at the scene such as skid tests, damage profile measurements, light bulb examinations etc, etc.

worse despite anti-jam pledge
8:33am today

Traffic jams on Britain's major roads have got worse despite a Government pledge to ease congestion.

The Times newspaper said official figures showed the average motorist now spent an extra 10 seconds at a standstill for every 10 miles on 100 key routes.

Ministers had set a target of cutting delays on the "strategic road network" - the most important motorways and A roads - from 2005 levels, it said.

A Department for Transport spokesman was unable to comment on the specific figures.

He said: "To help meet growing demand for travel the Government has increased transport spending by 60% since 1997.

"The Government is making record investments in public transport, building new road capacity where appropriate - including major widening projects on the M1 and M25 - and exploring ways to get more from our existing roads, such as opening up hard shoulders to traffic to ease congestion."

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I suspect that if ever consulted, the public at large would agree with me,

3) I suspect that if the public at large were ever consulted they would express a preference for thorough investigations into fatal accidents.

3) I suspect that if the public at large were ever consulted they would express a preference for thorough investigations into fatal accidents.

Bemused wrote:

3) I suspect that if the public at large were ever consulted they would express a preference for thorough investigations into fatal accidents.

You don't have to do what they do to be 'thorough', and wait till there's a real tragedy because a fire engine or ambulance couldn't get through the gridlock.

Inquest hears mother took fatal short cut to get to work
By Nicola Fifield
Speaking at the inquest, Traffic Constable Graham McCulloch said Mrs
Hosova must have thought there was a suitable gap in the traffic, but got it wrong.
He said: "There is little doubt in my mind that she has led to her own
demise."